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18 January, 2008 / theexpositor

One-On-One with Darrin Patrick

The emergent church…the emerging church…the Midrash…the mission to St. Louis; I discuss all this and more with Darrin Patrick, lead pastor of The Journey. Listen for yourself as Pastor Patrick and I sat down to do a live radio program in the beautiful sanctuary of this urban St. Louis fellowship.

Listen HERE!

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4 Comments

  1. Russ / Jan 20 2008 19 54

    Mike,

    While I appreciate Darrin’s ability to recognize issues within the Emergent/Emerging movement, he does not go far enough. In his address to Covenant Seminary, he also talks about the Emergent village guys as being a bunch of “nice guys”! They are heretics promoting a false teaching which can hardly be considered Christianity! Why he is waiting to confront these individuals, I cannot understand.

    Also, his own theology is flawed. He indicates that there is good in us because we are made in the image of God and therefore the culture has both good and bad aspects to it. According to God’s word we are sinners and there is no good in us at all!

    To quote John MacArthur from What’s So Dangerous About the Emerging Church?http://www.gty.org/Resources/transcripts/GTY107 : “What is so interesting about this movement is the Emerging Church sanctifies the culture. The Emerging church sanctifies the post-modern culture as if it is legitimate and says if we’re going to reach these people, we’ve got to become like these people. That’s never been the biblical way…never. The Bible does not change. It’s not a chameleon, it doesn’t shift and change and adapt to culture. It confronts culture. It confronts an aboriginal culture. It confronts an ancient culture. It confronts a modern culture. It confronts every trend with fixed unchanging truth in every situation. And the Emerging Church not only is unwilling to believe the clear statement of Scripture, but it’s unwilling to take the clear statement of Scripture and confront the culture. It wants to let the culture define what Christianity should be.”

    Why anyone who professes to adhere to the basic orthodoxy of the Christian faith would want to associate themselves with this movement I cannot understand. We need to get back to the basics of pursuing and preaching God’s Word and stop following the latest trends.

    God’s Blessings,
    Russ

  2. theexpositor / Jan 20 2008 21 38

    Thanks Russ for your comments. I want to pass them along to Darrin Patrick and see if he would like to offer a response.

  3. darrin patrick / Jan 21 2008 3 07

    Russ, thanks for taking time to listen to the lectures and the interview. I’ll list your concerns and then comment

    You wrote:
    In his address to Covenant Seminary, he also talks about the Emergent village guys as being a bunch of “nice guys”! They are heretics promoting a false teaching which can hardly be considered Christianity! Why he is waiting to confront these individuals, I cannot understand.

    Russ, they are nice guys. And, I have talked to some of them about how they are deviating from orthodoxy personally. I did point out their theolgical errors very clearly in the lectures and in other talks I have given.

    You wrote
    Also, his own theology is flawed. He indicates that there is good in us because we are made in the image of God and therefore the culture has both good and bad aspects to it. According to God’s word we are sinners and there is no good in us at all!

    The goodness that I mentioned was not goodness in the sense that we are good and not sinners, rather that all human beings benefit from what the reformers call “common grace.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_grace

    darrin patrick

  4. Russ / Jan 21 2008 16 15

    Darrin,

    Thanks for your reply. Again, I appreciate the fact that you’ve been able to recognize these issues within the emergent/emerging movement. I have found few within this movement who have recognized these issues enough to speak out publicly against them.

    I don’t doubt that these are personable people who are likable, that doesn’t take away that these are wolves doing damage to the flock. While you did mention these concerns with their deviations it wasn’t clear to me in your lecture that you had personally confronted them. For this action, I applauded you!

    Regarding “Common Grace” this is not a concept I’m familiar with. I’ll check out the link you’ve provided. Thanks.

    I still have a concern with the emergent/emerging movement preoccupation with culture. It seems that most Christians don’t look any different than non-Christians these days. We really don’t need to further encourage the flock in this regard. What most Christians lack today is a solid understanding of God’s Word and the gospel.

    Darrin and Mike,

    Thanks to you both for this open dialogue. May God bless both your ministries.

    Regards,
    Russ

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