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24 October, 2007 / theexpositor

Few more thoughts on the EC

I think we have have probably discussed the Emergent Church well enough that we can move to another topic on the radio program. We will continue of of course to talk  the ECM, and especially when we receive the video from the conference itself. But at this point, I wanted to post a few more thoughts:

  • The “emergent seeker” is not someone we should just criticize and cast away. We should pray for them, love them and share the truth with them. So be prepared!
  • The emergent leaders are a different story. It is hard to believe that some of these people “just don’t know”, or “just have a different perspective”. Its possible i guess, but my opinion is that they have known the truth and choose to reject it. Most of them are seminary educated and very intelligent.
  • Not ever person and/or leader who place themselves, or are labeled by others, as being “emerging or emergent” are of the stereotypical emergent/emerging ilk that openly promote or endorse false teachings. Apparently there is a difference between emergent and emerging, but I have yet to understand the distinctions. I met people at the Emergence 07 conference that I sensed were very sincere, loved God and were truly wanting to know the truth. They just wanted to reach people.
  • You can do things and utilize methods and tools that reach people and not compromise the Gospel. It can be done. The Lord Jesus did it. The apostles did it. We can do it. So why isn’t it being done?
  • We can, and must, speak the truth in love. If we say we are say we love God and people, and our hearts desire and calling is to reach people with the Gospel, but we lack compassion, mercy and humility, there is a problem. Some may think that’s it difficult to do these things, and you are right. There are times when we need to turn over the table of the moneychangers. The Lord Jesus was most forceful and indeed angry with the religious leaders, who knew they were wrong and proclaiming a lie. But with the woman at the well things were different. We must be ” wise as serpents and innocent as doves.” Matthew 10:16.
  • I have come to really understand how drastic this situation really is. The influence of the teaching/philosophy of the ECM is tremendous. It goes to the deepest core of our society and not just within Christianity, but it is spilling over into secular society and indeed draws from it, which may be even more dangerous. Now is not the time to slow down, it is time to speed up our efforts.


  1. Rick Frueh / Oct 24 2007 14 16

    A great word from the beginning of your series to the end. Balanced and yet still uncompromising. You said:

    “but my opinion is that they have known the truth and choose to reject it.”

    Yes, but I believe in many cases that choice was the result of incredible deception, of which only by God’s grace we have been spared. Your blog has become a place for genuine thought.

  2. JB / Oct 24 2007 22 51


    Thanks for your ministry. I am looking forward to your further insight on the Emergent movement. I’ve been listening to Mark Driscoll quite frequently. His theology is solid but his delivery is a bit crude a little too comedic for my taste. Still not sure where I stand on my opinion of his ministry. I’m waiting to see how everything goes when you make your trip and what insight you can give on Mars Hill.

  3. just a mom / Oct 25 2007 4 35

    Mike –

    The Lord said, ” Stand in the gate of the Lord’s house and proclaim there this word and say,’Hear the word of the Lord”

    This must be embarrassing for the “transformed” leadership of almost every solid church I know of “from sea to shining sea.”

    He warned not to trust in deceptive words. Never are we told in His word to follow a false leader. When New Age vocabulary and practice creeps into the Evangelical church without even a whisper of disapproval, we deserve judgement.

    Even the Richard Lands and the Al Mohlers should fear God and not man. For the Lord also said, “IF you truly amend your ways.”… for much of this Emergent nonsense has happened under their watch.

    I guess many of the mainline denominations that were once obedient to God’s word and all the universities, schools, and seminaries that used to be founded on the promises of God haven’t fallen from God’s favor….

    “Behold, you are trusting in deceptive words to no avail” said the Lord.

    Try and find a “Christian” college that does not teach Spiritual Formation, yoga, and other false teaching. These are our children…. and when we dedicated them to the Lord we were entrusted to have them become His children.

    “Will you steal, murder, and commit adultery and swear falsely , and offer sacrifices to Baal and walk after other gods…” said the Lord.

    When Rick Warren, the goose that laid the golden egg, can be held up as “America’s Pastor” and promotes his deceptive PEACE program to our global world and soon- to- be one world church; America we have a problem.

    “To whom shall I speak and give warning that they may hear? said the Lord.

    When Emergent leaders and followers read Emergent authored books more than God’s word, we should be warning others that we know, love, and care about.

    “Behold, their ears are closed and they cannot listen. Behold the word of the Lord has become a reproach to them; they have no delight in it.”

    Mike, I was going to have you just read the Paul Proctor article
    for Proctor’s words speak loud and clear.

    Then add in this web site as it may lend understanding:

    Religion and Foreign Policy Meeting Series, in New York and Washington, on the impact of religious doctrine on foreign policy. In recent months, the Council has hosted Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission; Rick Warren, founding pastor of Saddleback Church and author of The Purpose Driven Life; Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, archbishop of Washington; and Vali R. Nasr, adjunct senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council and professor of national security affairs at the Naval Postgraduate School. The National Program teleconferences and/or webcasts these sessions to members outside of New York and DC.

    We need to pray for all men and our country. Four letter words have replaced the word repent. Read all of Jeremiah 6 and 7 tonight and weep. I truly don’t know how long the Lord and Savior, the Omnipotent , the Sovereign, the Almighty King of Kings can tarry. Maybe he is patiently waiting for those that are faithful and true. Our country used to be filled with such people.

    “I am full of the wrath of the Lord: I am weary with holding it in….. For I will stretch out My hand against the inhabitants of the land, from the least of them even to the greatest of them. Everyone is greedy for gain, and from the prophet even to the priest everyone deals falsely….”

    “They have healed the brokenness of my people superficially, saying, ‘Peace,peace,’ But there is no peace.”

    “Were they ashamed because of the abomination they have done? They were not even ashamed at all; They did not even know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; at the time that I punish them, they shall be cast down,” says the Lord.

    Thus says the Lord, “Stand by the ways and see and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and you will find rest for your souls. But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.'” and I set watchmen over you saying, ‘Listen to the sound of the trumpet!” But they said, ‘We will not listen.’ Therefore hear, O nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.”

    Mike Gendron has an excellent article, “Living On the Edge of Apostasy” on the two streams of Christianity… the Apostolic church and the Apostate Church..

    So before spending so much time contemplating the contrasting views of Arminianism and Calvinism thought, let’s profess Christ, proclaim salvation, and act like children of God. Speak in truth and love; but remember poison is poison, and is labeled as such. Time is shorter every day.

    “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.” – Mark 1:15

    God’s Living Word … speaking to us today!

    Come quickly Lord Jesus!
    We are watching and waiting!

  4. andrew jones / Oct 28 2007 19 35


    the distinction between emergent and emerging is just silly. dont worry if you dont get it. i still dont.
    get a book on emergent theory (Emergence by Stephen Johnson) and read for yourself.

    i listened to your 2 broadcasts on EC. I share some of your insights and impressions. Its a pity you sensed an individualism and selfishness – which i also see in more traditional churches. it sounds like the missional thinking that has inspired many of us in the emerging church did not come out very much in austin. pity.

    Do you really think Scot McKnight denies the authority and inspiration of God’s word just because he was loose with the word “inerrant”?

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